7speed DSG vs 6spd DSG on VW

konahead · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject:

well said.

my take - my car, i pay, my choice Laughing

fortunately the wife actually kinda prefers manual...until such moment that we get stuck in a blinkin' traffic jam and she's driving, she will start KPKB-ing Laughing

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cheefarn · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject:

IMHO DSG still have a long way to go b4 it can really replace the conventional torque converter autobox. For one thing, cost is still a big issue.

DSG box costs way more than any conventional auto and it will hurt the profits of any car manufacturer if they offer such gearbox en masse. And then there's the overall reliabilty.....I've yet to see any DSG applications in extreme duty applications eg buses and trucks. I mean, I want to see how DSG boxes can handle the daily abuses in our SBS buses... Laughing

And then there's the ease of maint for DSG boxes. For convetional auto, no matter how high tech or fancy the gearbox ECU is, the basic mech invloved is still similar to the 1st autoboxes from the late 1930s. And that many workshops are able to svc them. The same cannot be said about DSG boxes lor.

And I'd still like to see the day when DSG can compete with conventional autobox in terms of absolute shift comfort and smoothness... Smile

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konahead · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject:

HiHoSilver · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject:

cheefarn · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject:

Yes I do agree conventional autoboxes are not very fuel efficent no matter how many gears it offers. Most of the power loss occurs at the torque converter itself unfortunately. A typical autobox loses about 15% fuel economy as compared to a stick shift counterpart.

Then the Japs gearbox manufacturers came blazing claiming that CVT is THE way to go for the future. Rolling Eyes

Well the CVT box itself broke down so often and its a wimp to use that the Jap manufacturers decided not to offer such boxes to most export markets.

For DSG, I guess it can only be considered a TRUE successor to conventional auto and manual trans when such gearboxes can be found in heavy vehicles eg buses and trucks and big 2.5 tons SUVs Very Happy

I mean, its really no fun to struggle with double clutching while trying to shift that 12 speed manual in that semi trailer Sad

A DSG would be great but it must be able to handle heavy towing loads
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Mikey · rcc partisan Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 5665

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I've been looking at the car market with a bit of trepidation. I don't now how long my hybrid battery will last... but car prices are already so much higher than when I got the hybrid that it seems I'd have to pay a lot more to even just keep the same class of car (Civic size and features)...

And COEs keep climbing and predicted to go 3x as high as now... wah low that's like when I bought my Clio. Think the COE was $40K.

VWs look so attractive in terms of luxury, low tax, power, FC... etc... but also worried abt reliability. Will a TSI engine really be reliable for 5-6 years? Will the DSG? Why do VWs fair so badly in consumer reliability surveys in the UK? With car prices headed up, I don't want to commit to a car that I cannot afford to change for years and have to live with poor reliability. Really looking forward to a Polo Turbo 1.2 or a Polo GTI TSI 1.4.... looks like a really good package.
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hotnyh · rcc partisan Joined: 23 Oct 2000 Posts: 3869

Ok we go see together...Aug is 1.2 and the GTI?
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I ask and let you know ...
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outrider · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject:

HiHoSilver · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject:

I may be wrong but I heard that the VW Polo 1.2 Turbo will be assembled in Indonesia….

Currently, the single or twin charged 1.2 or 1.4L petrol engines have very good FC. However….

I would love to see our Garmen lowering taxes and allowing Diesel passenger vehicles at reasonable prices!!

The emission and refinement for diesel engines have matched or even surpassed Petrol engines! Turbo diesel vehicles are more suitable for Singapore heavy start-stop traffic conditions. Our new taxis are enjoying rides of their lives!

Couple any engine with an efficient DSG that is reliable…. we are close to a more perfect car already. But we are only prolonging the inevitable… the drying oil wells.

Ultimately, I hope to see really green cars like Hydrogen or Electric. I guess we have to wait until our world is sucked dry of fossil fuels before we can see more truly green vehicles!
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konahead · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject:

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